Not again! Same-sex couple say they were rejected by PE wedding venue
A gay couple claim that a top wedding venue in Port Elizabeth turned them away because of their sexual orientation.
The two men, who have asked not to be identified, reached out to Mambaonline about last month’s incident. Paul* told us that he filled out an online enquiry form for Running Waters, one of a number of possible venues for their planned September wedding. “They were among our top five wedding venues,” he said.
The couple of almost two years were in turn contacted by a representative via e-mail who sent them a series of wedding packages and arranged for a meeting to visit the venue on 25 February.
According to Paul, he and his fiancé arrived for the meeting and started chatting to the owner’s father, who at one point asked in Afrikaans, “Where is the wife?” Paul replied: “There is no wife. This is my partner and we are getting married.”
The older man then allegedly told the couple that Running Waters does not allow same-sex weddings on the premises, although the venue “does not have a problem with gay people”. The man also reportedly urged them to respect this policy.
“I was dumbstruck. It was really humiliating,” said Paul. “We walked out with our tails between our legs. You feel dirty, like you’re not worthy of being there.” He and his fiancé drove to another appointment at the next venue on their list in shocked silence. “My partner then said to me, ‘What just happened to us?’”
Paul, who plans to use an independent pastor from Johannesburg for the wedding, asked why Running Waters does not state on their website or in their communication with potential clients that they do not cater to same-sex couples.
“I’m actually a member of the Dutch Reformed Church and when they made the ruling [in 2015] that same-sex couples could get married…[which was later overturned] it was a move in the right direction. And then you get something like this!”
Mambaonline contacted Running Waters and spoke to an Eben, who said he was the owner. He asked why this was a story worth reporting and refused to confirm or deny that the venue does not serve same-sex couples. Eben said that 98% of Paul’s report was correct but was evasive as to what was incorrect.
He also failed to offer a reason for turning away Paul and his partner. Eben then said he would only talk further face to face and rejected the opportunity to respond to questions via e-mail. He further warned Mambaonline about writing about the incident. “Be very careful about what you guys post,” he said.
Paul and his partner have since found another wedding venue that is keen on their business. “They are really accommodating and they don’t blink an eye when you walk in. To them we’re just like another couple.”
Cameron Cordell, Acting Executive Director at the Port Elizabeth-based OUTology Network expressed his shock at the news. “We would like to offer our support to the couple and categorically state that we condemn the turning away of LGBTI couples from wedding venues,” he said.
“We would also like to offer a sensitisation workshop to the venue to educate them on why what they [allegedly] did was discriminatory and wrong,” added Cordell.
The issue of homophobic wedding venues turning away same-sex couples has been an ongoing problem since same-sex marriage became legal in South Africa in 2006.
Despite the likes of constitutional law expert Pierre De Vos stating that this discriminatory practice by private business owners is in fact “breaking the law,” little action has been taken against these venues. De Vos has argued that the owners’ personal beliefs should stay personal and cannot have any bearing on the services they provide to the public. (Read more here.)
The Equality Act prohibits the denial of services on the basis of sexual orientation. In April 2015, the Equality Court in Cape Town ruled that owners of guesthouses cannot use their religious beliefs to turn away gay customers. The same logic should apply when it comes to any other venues serving the public.
In 2012, the Sha-Mani venue in Alberton, Johannesburg was fined R20,000 by the Equality Court for discriminating against a lesbian couple but it simply shrugged off the penalty and continued to reject same-sex couples, as reported in August 2014. Despite numerous similar incidents involving a host of other homophobic wedding venues around the country, there has been little appetite to challenge this form of discrimination in the Equality Court.
*Not the alleged victim’s real name
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Same thing happened to my patterned and and I with Running Waters. We stay in Malawi and was enquiring for dates in December.
I get extremely angry for these kind of discrimination against gay people. It is so derogating, I’ve got no words. This just have to be named and shamed
Why do you have to force you orientation onto other people? Surely they also have a right, just like a guy person has a right to live out his life without forcing it on another. What are you naming and shaming??? We live in a autonomous culture and not a heteronomous culture so learn to respect when others also say no because that is the autonomous right!!!
Why the fuss? The owner of the business had the right to say his not willing to do business with same sex couple. He has a right to say Right of Admission Reserved to his property. The problem here is you guys want to force straight people to enter business agreements with same sex couples, your lifestyle are being forced down the throats of those who don’t believe in same sex relationships. I am a fully licensed marriage officer and I do not officiate unions of same sex couples and I will continue refuse to do it, it is against my religious beliefs. If this couple found a venue good for them. don’t harass those who don’t want the business of same sex couples. I am so sick and tired of this, when ever same sex couples don’t get their way they run to media. Just as they have the right to live the way they do, we have the right to say we don’t agree.
Oscar, I hope you change your mind when you realise how many doctors, paramedics and teachers etc are gay. Will you first inquire about their ‘lifestyle’ before accepting their services?
So just because there are some high income earners that are gay that is going to change his belief (not I don’t thing so). Money is not going to change a godly mans belief system. He will never change his mind and nor will I because God is very clear on this issue and it is TOTALY NATURAL and it does not matter who you are in society.
Strange how you appear to visit this website so often – go away and concentrate on your church whatever that might be.
Matthew 1:1-6 clearly states that you must not judge others! Only God has the right to judge. So take your hypocrital views and preach them somewhere else. People like you are why Christianity is loosing ground world wide – because you are all so judgemental. Instead of getting down on yours knees and praying for the people, you stand in your pulpit and judge and condemn them!
They didn’t vandalize the business. They simply mentioned it to the media. They have a right to.
Agreed
Rev Bougardt, you obviously do not comprehend the laws of South Africa. Unfortunately, your jesus is not superior to the laws of this land and the constitution. And if you do not like that, either pray that away or move to another country. You are showing your complete ignorance, time and time again.
Agreed – he is just another one of those 20 percenters of which there are 50 odd million in SA.
A pathetically dumb nation !
God does not discriminate. …… we are all his children… we are all made in the image of God… makes one wonder about religion because of this kind of discrimination
There is no medicine for stupid arrogant people. What will fall of from them to do business with people your books don’t see the gender or what so ever. Dom klot
Shocked but not. In this Christian nation there is still scant regard for the rights of minorities. The psyche of the nation is one of discrimination.
Wake up Shunning Waters!!
Good One
We were also turned away there. But found that The Plantation was more than willing to accommodate us. Beautiful wedding venue and we felt welcome there. Almost two years married now and never been happier .
The Gay Community should start creating their own businesses that ONLY cater to gay clientele. These straight people don’t realize the amount of disposable income the gay community has. The term “gay friendly” is a myth, and I absolutely hate that term because they’re only friendly until they have your money.
Ek sien dit is nie die eerste keer wat dit gebeur nie . In 2011 het ek en my man ook na venues gekyk en wou graag by Tres Jolie Peterweg Ruimsig trou. Nadat ons ‘n halfuur moes wag vir die eienaar om ons te sien het sy om gedraai en blatant vir ons in ons gesigte gese dat sy nie ons tipe bedien nie. Ons is egter by Carvers Restaurant in Northcliff getroud deur Ds Trevor Skinner van die Reformeerende Kerk Johannesburg.
Beloftebos in Stanford, outside Hermanus in the Cape, also refuse to marry same-sex couples. It is an incredibly popular venue, but this is stated in their actual service contract with couples.
Beloftebos has finally been addressed and is gaining visibility on their bigot practices as published today on TimesLive and Sowetan. https://goo.gl/URMf5e
Come on people. A private venue has the right to have any policies in place they feel necessary. Most churches,mosques and other religious centres choose to not do same-sex marriages for the same reasons(religious beliefs) and by verbally attacking their choices you are in fact also descriminating them for their beliefs…and that in itself makes you no better. If you are wanting a same sex marriage at a private venue,save yourself a ton of dissapointment and embarrasement and simply ask right at the start if they do offer their services to same-sex couples.