IT REMAINS A PRIDE FOR ALL – SETTING THE RECORD “STRAIGHT”
Johannesburg Pride has responded to the opinion piece Grappling with Gauteng’s Pride Problem. Below is the Pride Board’s full and unedited response.
It remains Johannesburg Pride (read a Pride for all) on the 25 October. And the Pride Board remains excited.
We trust that ALL will support this all-inclusive Pride in their droves, ignoring the cynical, boycott called by the opinionated authors, Gabriel Hoosain Khan and Dylan van Vuuren, mired within their unfortunate myopic bias, clearly illustrated in the closing paragraphs of their opinion piece – Grappling with Gauteng’s Pride Problem.
Therein, the authors espoused their wish to inform the “young gay generation”….and “gay people” on their subjective opinions, to make an informed decision as to whether to attend Johannesburg Pride or not, among others.
Fortunately the current Pride Board and Johannesburg Pride itself have transcended that discriminatory phrasing of exclusivity and usage of discriminatory language. One would have thought that at least the one author who emanates from a respected LGBTI organisation, would be mindful of his language, while desisting from labelling all as gay. Or is to only gay men and young gay men, they wish to discourage from attending Pride? Perhaps therefore, they need a refresher course.
While many lesbians do not identify as gay perhaps the authors would find it interesting to note that bisexual persons are not gay either. They are both straight and either gay or lesbian while some prefer the term polysexaul traversing the entire spectrum of gender and sexuality. Straight transgender women remain horrified the world over when labelled as gay by the uninformed, while straight transgender men would share the disdain. Gay transgender males primarily indentify as their gender first viz male and their sexuality, gay, as secondary equally the same with lesbian transgender women.
The there are transvestites, drag queens/kings and the entire spectrum of transgenderism. While intersex persons in a few countries across the globe are now recognised as a specific gender (and while this debate remains) it seems the authors which to lump them within the gay label too, when in fact Intersex persons are as diverse across the spectrum of gender and sexuality.
Asexual persons assert that themselves as, well, a-sexual, while the straight significant others, family, friends, and allies (SOFFAs) sympathetic to the challenges faced by LGBTIAQ persons, lend support. Thus one can only deduce from these opinionated authors’ position that their version of Pride is either only for “gay persons” or at the very least, “gay and lesbian” persons.
And they allude to alleged exclusion of Johannesburg Pride attended by LGBTIAQ and SOFFAs across the colour spectrum in 2013 while they think in myopic silos?
We reiterate. Johannesburg Pride is proud to be inclusive of all. Johannesburg Pride respects the right to individuality as opposed to the utopia-view of a “community” – a term many within the LGBTIA circles have since rejected. Not that the aim is divisive. On the contrary. It celebrates several strides made, while keeping challenges it mind, with the assertion that actually we have crossed the first Rubicon of division and are transcending Simon Nkoli’s definition of a community, recognising that all are individuals of the homosapien species, as one with Mzansi (South Africa) and not as a separate “community”. Who knows, perhaps Simon is actually ululating in his grave?
Now, let’s focus on the authors’ assertion that Johannesburg Pride has “fragmented” into five different Prides. Certainly cause for contention and points to the authors’ lack of the understanding of expanding geographical challenges of the Province and growth. It still remains a fact that Gauteng is a province. From the rationale of their argument one can only but deduce that the authors are of the misinformed opinion that it’s a city.
Do the authors, while clearly citing examples of transport challenges, actually really expect those challenged LGBTIAQ persons to travel from Tswaing, Cullinan or Brits, now part of the City of Tshwane while the geographical name of Pretoria still remains, to Johannesburg just to appease them, when a Pretoria Pride has seen a wonderful birth since two years ago thus more accessible to the city’s inhabitants? Is the same expected of those living in the East Rand, while the City of Ekurhuleni now has their own Pride?
While the City of Cape Town, the City of eThtekwini (Durban), the Nelson Mandela Metropolitan Municipality (Port Elizabeth), Buffalo City (East London) and others have birthed their respective Prides, does it not remain the right of Pretoria (Tshwane) and Ekurhuleni to also have their Prides for their specific city? Pretoria has long since called for a city focused Pride, way before the One In Nine organisation was formed, let alone their destructive campaign? One would deem these two Prides certainly as the proud offspring of the former Johannesburg Pride that’s germinated into their own independence.
As for Soweto Pride and other off-springs within the province. Does our Constitution (which the authors seem to hold in high regard but perhaps not clearly understand) not allow us the right to the freedom of association and expression? Do they wish to infringe on this right, in an act of hypocrisy, and demand that all these respective Prides merge to form their version of their Pride while the population of Gauteng alone has mushroomed since 1990? Is that not hypocritical?
Now let’s examine the authors’ discriminatory attack on the suburb of Sandton. Or let us rephrase that: The express intent to mislead the uniformed reader about this suburb which they claim as “inaccessible”. Yet it has mushroomed into a pivotal public transport node of Gauteng accessible to all. Apart from the Gautrain, regrettably steeply priced for some, (at least one issue Pride and these opinionistas agree on) it hosts a bustling minibus taxi rank, primarily used by the historically disadvantaged. Johannesburg Metropolitan buses, Putco-type and other public buses equally traverse the node equally used by the historically disadvantaged.
It remains a pivotal node for the residents of Alexandra just as a clear example. A sprawling township of thousands of historically disadvantaged residents filled with the history of our country. Indeed, one of South Africa’s political party for the poor, the Economic Freedom Fighters, specifically chose Sandton (Innesfree Park) for its post election celebratory party due to the suburb being a pivotal transport node to the lesser privileged of Gauteng and easily accessible to the people of the adjacent Alexandra township. In fact, some can even just walk across, albeit with the challenge of a major arterial road, which soon will be breached by the construction of a walkway bridge.
While the Pride Committee will desist from entering the fray of the dynamics of organising, still Africa’s biggest Pride attended by as many as 6000 – 10 000 people, perhaps attention could be draw to some aspects. Those include finding a suitable venue where security is one of the paramount concerns for an expectation of thousands; a severely constrained budget where the current Board have to fund several administrative aspects of Pride from their own pockets. Thus we trust that the authors (and their sympathisers) take cognisance and perhaps render assistance in lieu of subjective, opinionated at times, ill-informed, at worst hypocritical criticisms.
The current Pride Board has always had an open door policy and has never turned away any person, LGBTIAQ or SOFFARs who wish to proffer input. But someone has to keep the ball rolling. We’ll continue digging deep into our pockets when sponsors disappoint, we’ll continue fervently in the face of opinionated, destructive criticism and calls to boycott and a host of challenges as we present Pride 2014 come October 25th. Remember. It’s a Pride for all… ALL are welcome, not just the “younger gay generation” and “gay persons” that the opinion authors wish to school.
As for opinions. Across the world they are welcomed (well, at least in countries that have Freedom of Speech). It must be borne in mind though that everyone has the right to their respective opinions, but unfortunately not to their own facts.
Example – it remains the authors’ opinion that private food and drinks are not allowed inside the Pride venues as an “elitist discriminatory” tactic while the fact is (which they insist on ignoring) that it remains a prerequisite regulated by the Metropolitan Municipality of Johannesburg with regard to certain public events, for those events to arrange in-venue drinks and catering – a requirement Pride has to abide by, including the obtaining of a liquor licence. A clear illustration of opinion (subjective) versus fact (objective).
Finally, if the authors wish to see their dream come true of “all of us getting along” best they and all are seen within days as we celebrate the fact that WE ARE ALL HUMAN. It really is that simple. Oh, and remember, entrance is free!! (And we do hope someone will bring a cake)
With much love, kindness and greetings
Kaye Ally
Simone Heradien
Navin Behairelal
P.S. All historically disadvantaged persons
Please note, any offensive, insulting and personal comments will be removed.
Well said!
The organizers of the Johannesburg has done a sterling job for many years, and I believe that all of us in total diversity will be able to have a great Pride.
Dear Johannesburg Pride organisers,
Thank you for taking the time to respond to the piece Dylan and myself have written. I appreciate your openness to frank and critical conversations about Pride in Johannesburg. I would like to reply in a spirit of civility.
I would like to preface my response with a clarification and an acknowledgement. I would like to clarify that my ideas (comments, articles or other creative products) do not represent the views of organisations or movements I am part of, unless otherwise stated. I would like to acknowledge your critique about our focus on ‘gay’. This critique is entirely valid, and does highlight a limitation in the article. The article is aimed at the audience of a news site popular with gay men, hence it this was our imagined audience. I am excited at the Pride committee’s commitment to including parts of the queer community historically marginalised from the Joburg Gay Pride.
That being said, I would like to pose a few questions to the organisers in the spirit of transparency:
1) How was the new Pride Committee formed? And why did the Pride committee stop engaging in the community consultation process which culminated in Peoples Pride last year?
2) How do elections happen for the Pride committee? Is there somewhere the constitution of Johannesburg Pride can be accessed? Were queer/trans organisations engaged in the process of developing Pride this year?
3) What is Johannesburg Pride’s analysis of injustice/inequality in South Africa (or Johannesburg for that matter)? How is Pride as it is constructed, relevant to the way injustice/inequality manifest in South Africa (or Johannesburg for that matter)?
4) What is Johannesburg Pride’s reasoning behind selecting Sandton as a venue? How were community members consulted in selecting this venue? Why not use for example? Or Joubert Park?
5) Could you share a little about the route of the Pride March? Which communities would be able to see the march? What do you believe the impact of the march will be?
6) While I appreciate the diversity of Pride emerging (Ekurleni, Soweto, Vaal, etc.), would it not be more accurate to call Johannesburg Pride – Sandton Pride? Or do you think it represents the diversity of Johannesburg?
We know that South Africa is a country still defined by deep rifts of injustice/inequality rooted in race and class. This fact is well documented. This inequality also manifests in the geography of the city – with space largely stratified by these factors. I am not saying this is true in all cases – but that does not undo the trends of systemic injustice which are apparent.
The funny thing about geographies of injustice, is that they manifest in other places too. In the way Sandton can be a dangerous space for poor people, or trans sex workers or migrant/refugee communities. Or in the way we manage queer spaces for example (I’m thinking about the ones that are better funded? And the racial groups (or class groups) which frequent those places?) It manifests in the way we manage our borders as countries (nation states being dubious things). Or maybe in the way we believe a Pride event should manifest (the culture of alcohol consumption, or particular ideas about the type of bodies that should inhabit that space, or rules about managing events?).
I guess my point here is a difficult one. I fully understand the complexity of negotiating (1) the practice of planning an event (which involves the rules from government, the need for money, etc) and (2) the spirit of a queer/trans community (which in many cases has been instrumental in challenging some of these practices). I am interested in (a) having conversations about how Pride is relevant to the current context of injustice in South Africa, (2) talking about how practice of Pride (as it has been constructed) can reify the exclusion and marginalization particular people or groups and (3) challenging queer/trans communities to imagine new ways of doing/thinking about Pride. I’m saying this because the old Pride didn’t work, it didn’t work for the majority of people who make up Johannesburg.
As someone who is a person of colour, I need to be especially careful about my position. While the post-apartheid moment has been useful for me (I am middle-class, I have a car, and tertiary education – which most people in South Africa do not have access to), this cannot be extrapolated to the rest of South Africa. I too might fit into the category of previously disadvantaged however, the privilege of being a non-black person of colour, male and cis-gender – means that I too benefit from the way systemic injustice manifests. I could go to Pride in Sandton and probably have a dope time – but that would not mean that Pride is accessible to other queer people of colour from Westbury, or my sex worker friends from Hillbrow, or the inspired groups of lesbian youth from Soweto, or the many queer/trans migrants/refugees I’ve met with from Yeoville.
I thank you for your openness to converse about these difficult issues we face as a community. I know how online conversations can sometimes detract, and would invite you to reply over a coffee sometime.
Revolutionary love and hugs,
Gabriel Hoosain Khan
Dear Gabriel, it is with much disappointment that Mamba never published an outcome of the previous financial mess [edited] at the Sandton Sports Club. Bearing that in mind, one can only assume that Kaye Ally and Co appointed themselves. Even the Johannesburg Pride NPCs Directors are Kaye, Navin and Simone. All the other bystanders who seemed to have been at the center of the operations last year have faded into absence. One has to ask why. Why is it that there is so much infighting amongst the LGBTI Community. Why is it that the controversy surrounding Kaye Ally only disappears for a few months to pop up right at the end towards Pride again.
No, I don’t believe for a minute Pride caters for the people. [edited] I say, let us boycott this nonsense event, and rather raise funds the conventional way for those who really need it. Those who have nowhere to turn to and those who have lost everything to HIV.
Let us stand in unity without a self-appointed collection of individuals trying to lead us towards something. Yes I call it something, because the founding statement of pride is just about as absent as Kaye Ally when she has to answer for her actions.
I say let us push out these instigators and stand together in unity for that what is right.
Sorry Grabiel, they have you on this one.
Kaye and the Joburg pride board members respond is very insulting to the majority group in South Africa, and insulting Gabriel Hoosin Khan and Dylan van Vuuren, this mushrooming of different Prides in Johannesburg was formed because of racial treatment the majority group have experience from the past events. The author shouldn’t get technical about the sexuality/gender and LGBTI and the NEW Group SOFFARs. Gabriel was stating the facts regarding, the Joburg Pride has turn into and ATM machine and only the elite, those residing in porch areas can afford and attend, in other words Kaye Alley and Bruce Walker are not interested to entertain the majority group but only those with high LSM, drive exclusive cars, either dating withinn the white/ coloured or Indian race and being a coconut, that’s not what the pride is for, i believe that whether gay or not we have similar challenges as human being, but our issues as gay people in the world are not being entertained or cared and the pride must address such issues. My first pride in Joburg was held in New Town and we had funny as we were marching in the street of Joburg and was late moved to constitutional hill and sadly though to Rosebank because of an accident that happen and unfortunately the police failed us, however that shouldn’t be the reason to move the pride to Sandton, If South African belong to us all! then do not fix it! it’s not broken. Kaye Alley and Bruce Walker are running a business with follow whites, the pride Pretoria pride was disappointing….We were treated like second class in our country, blacks attendees was very low and there was not enough representative during performance. My intention was to stay longer and experience the 2nd running Pretoria pride but i felt like I wasted my precious time, first the bartenders were all Afrikaans speaking and the VIP had only Afrikaans speaking and if you ask for service, they passed you like you can’t afford. The media session was far from everyone with very poor service and bad visibility. I’m defiantly for sure that some of the black that attended this year, won’t come again….those the formation of Mam’s pride and some areas in Pretoria are next. The Pretoria pride was suppose to unity us, unfortunately is dividing us and perpetuating segregation. We are not asking for too much focus on blacks but an equal treat. like Mandela said….”I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination.
Sometime you wanna condone Julius Malema when he says paradise is over for whites especial racial whites, because it’s had for them to change and accept. South African whites believe that blacks are they servant, therefore we must succumb to their noises. for this country to move forward whites must notice blacks as human being not as baboons or doormat, Simon Nkuli fought for us not for blacks or whites, we liberated us for gay and lesbian oppression. He wanted us to unite and love each other and uplift each there but unfortunately he working against his wishes and unfortunately he is not ululating and to see how little us blacks, perhaps you must first undestand the meanign of Ululating and where it’s originate, for you education purpose and to use in future man either gay or not DO NOT ULULATE but only women and that’s during wedding ceremony when Makoti(bride) is leaving her parents home and also during the wedding ceremony. we don’t just ululate for excitement.
The South African government endorse Simon Nkoli’s corner in Hilbrow…..please read below and you would understand why the pride must return back to it’s roots, unfortunately for whites that feel uncertain, If they don’t wanna attend the Johannesburg pride in Johannesburg not in Sandton then they must pack their stuff and leave our country. This country belong to everyone that is willing to fight crime and……and make it not a better country but the ultimate country for the future and it began with you and other standing for unlawful events.
Simon Tseko Nkoli (Nov 26,1957-Nov 30,1998), was one of Africa’s most prominent gay and AIDS activists.In 1990 Nkoli became one of the first South African activists to publicly acknowledge his HIV-positive status.Simon Nkoli was a founder member of National Coalition For Gay and Lesbian in South Africa. Equality which is now known as the Lesbian and Gay Equality Project and he lived to see the rights of lesbian and gay people enshrined in the Constitution and in law.There is a Simon Nkoli Street in Amsterdam and a Simon Nkoli Day in San Francisco. He opened the first Gay Games in New York and was made a freeman of that city by mayor David Dinkins. In 1996 Nkoli was given the Stonewall Award in the Royal Albert Hall in London. Nkoli was the subject of Robert Colman’s 2003 play, “Your Loving Simon” and Beverley Ditsie’s 2002 film “Simon & I”.
The September 1999 pride march was dedicated to him and included a stop at the newly named “Simon Nkoli Corner” at the intersection of Pretoria and Twist Streets in Johannesburg.
You purpose in life is to leave a last legacy and fighting among us is disappointing!
Dear Timothy,
Sadly the Government sets the example for division. The good life for the elite, and squalor for the rest. It is no longer about black and white, it is now about the “elite” and the rest. We should stop putting name tags on our races, and just bloody hell let go of this constant Black and White. Let us rather stand together, and tackle the social problems that have erupted because of elitism.
And please, don’t read elitism as White, read elitism as the people that drive the Lamborghini’s Ferrari’s and own the Nkandla estates of this world. There are so many white people struggling just as hard as any other race to make a living in this corrupt country.
Firstly, Kaye Ally is not white and secondly – please view the photo in the middle – the attendees in 2013 where majority NON-white. All your arguments are thus moot and I for one suggest you attend another Pride as this one seems not to be for you – for whatever reason I still can not see. Let the LGBTI PEOPLE decide – with their feet – which Pride to attend.
@JackTrade….how many of them have attended, luckily I’m attending this coming weekend because my partner pressured me to attend, so! Kaye Alley can add two more blacks in her stats and I know Kaye Alley and we have interacted via email and conversation because our station was once keen to be a media partner but disappointed by the attendees, for you information I’m very loud and proudly gay and advocate the LBGTI community and preach unity and unity can manifest if we work together. Right now we don’t know who seat in the Johannesburg board meeting, how the members are elected, See below and tell me if there scale is balanced…
The voluntary Pride Committee
Steph Edwards (The Duchess DJ) – Entertainment
Steven Kahn – Strategy and Sponsorships
Navin Behairelal – Logistics
Simone Heradien – Human Rights
Kaye Ally – Chair
Entertainment line-up is not balance!!! please do visit their website.
Please indulge me!!
“only the elite, those residing in porch areas can afford and attend” Timothy I dont see the point of your statement ???? There are lots of places and events all around SA that I would like to go to and attend But quess what I can not afford it so I dont go. I think you need to stop playing the race / victim card . what has leaving the country got to do with pride ??? you are the idiot for making such statements
@Paramanel if you can’t afford than stay at home and that has nothing to do with race but affordability, beside you won’t understand by point because you only pick point what made sense to you. I still say, you are white and see areas like hilbrow and Joburg CBD problematic then you don’t deserve South African citizenship, perhaps you must revisit and unwritten pride history and why it moved from it’s prominent area to ares that are prominent white, my point!!! my second point was…the pride suppose to be unprofitable event, however it has turn into money making event for some people, perhaps you won’t understand my point for personal reasons. I suggest you read my comment first before.
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Chip on shoulder much
A t first I found you comment funny, not worthy of a response, but the I hade a change mind, you deserve every name that is coming your way or that you whish to identify with “baboon/ doormat”or even the victim . enjoy Pride this weekend I am sorry to hear that you will be there and we would have to be at the same venue with lots of other people who dont deserve to citizins of this country but hey at least we dont have a sense of entitlement because of the colour of our skins
Hello Paramanel, Like I said I went to pride and had to great time for a change, treated like a VIP however I’m worried about few things that we very disturbing!! Race! Race! Race and Race, only few attended and me liking clothes, my partner and I bough stuff that will remind us of pride 2014 and looking forward to meeting the Johannesburg Pride board members and perhaps be a member and woo the black crowd and take it back to Parktown, constitutional hill. I want us to remember Simon Nkuli’s corner and trace his footsteps. I wanna believe that, the LGBTIQ in Sandton don’t experience discrimination like the community in Hilbrow, Braamfortein and surrounding township areas.
I find it rather disturbing that somebody would spend almost three quarters of a piece explaining things to Gabriel and Dylan that they most definitely already know. The Sandton Pride’s precious time and online space could’ve been better utilized explaining to the Queer Public exactly what kind of principles or Politics they have (if any) and if they have done any adequate public consultations to ask exactly what kind of Pride people actually want. I also do not understand how a Pride board can academically badger and discredit respected activists like that.
Pride board is just useless and disrespectful taking the picture of blacks thinking we will by their money making skims nxa what a waste of energy
I have been at every Pride since 1990 with the exception of 2013 and yes I still preferred Braamfontein at old Champions and Constitutional hill as well as ZOO lake and Soweto pride above the Sandton event. I am more the type of person who don’t really focus on diversity or colour or class or nationality. I go to Pride to be with my nation and that includes all that attend Pride. That is what Pride is about to celebrate our diversity and love and togetherness. That is what people like Simon would have said about your comments and insults to each other and to the Pride community. If any pride organization and or group is representing all of us the focus should be on all of us. I do miss the huge turnout as at Zoo lake, the fun, the floats, the publicity, the togetherness, The diversity especially the braais and house music and parties at Zoo Lake after the march till late at night until the police came at 22H00 to chase us away, the message we sent to SA and Africa as the biggest Pride on the Continent, the HIV awareness and the window for so many closeted people to see, experience life in our community as well as a platform to meet so many fantastic people. I certainly don’t want to believe that Pride over the last decade was to exclude or aim specifically on certain parts or groups of our community as that was not what I experienced from Zoo lake to Soweto and if that was any ones mission or idea maybe you did not attend these prides for all of us or maybe you excluded yourself from many factors or areas or groups or people from previous prides. That is your loss of coz.My favourite pride and most remembered were probably the last at Zoo lake with the biggest turnout ever probably 10 fold as many people as 2014 and the togetherness of all is my fondest memories. Maybe we should focus on the Pride Family as a whole and let go of your differences and specifics as we the people did not experience that at 2012, 2011,2010 and a few years prior to that. Your aim should be in getting Pride as big or bigger and as fun as it was back in the days. That was what we the community at large were expecting.
I have been reading every comment on this article up to this far, I don’t get the point of attacking each other when what we should be doing is raise our concerns and at least try to come with solutions, the VPC I BELIEVE HAS TRIED TO CATER FOR THE LGBTI, although we can improve certain expects of the pride march, here are some of the issues I had this year at the mushroom farm park, toilet facilities 6 mobile toilets for approx. thousands of people, parking was a nightmare, here are some suggestions please involve more stakeholders in the organising of the next JHB pride, have an open discussion with the community about the venue selection and maybe give more info on the selection of VPC committee, I value the work and dedication the committee does and would like to applaud them.